[IWE] will disgree on the sadat comment

[William Oxley]

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""t is also true that we used to set as a precondition for any =20
negotiations with you a mediator who would meet separately with each =20
party.

Yes. Through this procedure the talks of the first and second =20
disengagement agreements took place.

Our delegates met in the first Geneva conference without exchanging a =20=

direct word, yes, this has happened.

Yet today I tell you, and I declare it to the whole world, that we =20
accept to live with you in permanent peace based on justice. We do =20
not want to encircle you or be encircled ourselves by destructive =20
missiles ready for launching, nor by the shells of grudges and hatreds."
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/sadat_speech.html

************Palin is not on the same page, she's off in another =20
building somewhere..."

along with the rest of the republican party and a large amount of =20
democrats I suspect.



On Sep 26, 2008, at 6:58 PM, D. Scott Katzer wrote:

> Hi Jay and All,
>
> I know this has been commented on most of you already, but I wanted =20=

> to throw my $0.02 in.  To keep the context, I'll comment here.
>
> Jay Mehaffey wrote:
>> Another jaw dropping moment of stupidity. You can Kissinger wrong, =20=

>> you can call him evil, but trying to call him naive is idiotic.
>
> I think she got caught up in her talking points and didn't mean to =20
> call him naive and having bad judgement.  In effect, though, she =20
> did.  After all, anyone who agrees with Obama is obviously naive, =20
> hates America, etc., etc.....
>
>> Jay
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ilan-goldenberg/palin-calls-=20
>> kissinger-nai_b_129445.html?view=3Dprint
>>     *Couric:* You met yesterday with former Secretary of State Henry
>>     Kissinger, who is for direct diplomacy with both Iran and =20
>> Syria. Do
>>     you believe the U.S. should negotiate with leaders like President
>>     Assad and Ahmadinejad?
>>     *Palin:* I think, with Ahmadinejad, personally, he is not one to
>>     negotiate with. You can't just sit down with him with no
>>     preconditions being met. Barack Obama is so off-base in his
>>     proclamation that he would meet with some of these leaders around
>>     our world who would seek to destroy America and that, and without
>>     preconditions being met. *That's beyond na=EFve. And it's beyond =20=

>> bad
>>     judgment.*
>
> Of course, Obama didn't make a "proclamation", he answered a =20
> question at a debate.  And he gave the correct answer, in my =20
> opinion, when you consider the *actual question*:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3De3Oj7Jn9rv4
>
> It's a 2:43 clip of the question and Obama's answer, among others.
>
> In other words, Obama and Kissinger are on the same page on the =20
> issue of talking to our "enemies".  Palin is not on the same page, =20
> she's off in another building somewhere...
>
> >     *Couric:* Are you saying Henry Kissinger ...
> >
> >     *Palin:* It's dangerous.
> >
> >     *Couric:* ... is na=EFve for supporting that?
> >
> >     *Palin:* *I've never heard Henry Kissinger say, "Yeah, I'll meet
> >     with these leaders without preconditions being met."* =20
> Diplomacy is
> >     about doing a lot of background work first and shoring up =20
> allies and
> >     positions and figuring out what sanctions perhaps could be
> >     implemented if things weren't gonna go right. That's part of =20
> diplomacy.
>
> I don't think that Sadat went to Israel after getting a bunch of =20
> concessions beforehand.  The question was whether Obama was willing =20=

> to actually talk to lay the foundation for a breakthrough.  Bush's =20
> and his followers' idea of diplomacy and negotiation is:  "Give us =20
> iron-clad guarantees that you'll agree to give us what we want, and =20=

> then we'll talk about sitting down to talk about what you want."
>
> Cheers,
> Scott.
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